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	<title>Comments on: A Little Q &amp; A with Hardly Art</title>
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		<title>By: jimmy jazz</title>
		<link>http://www.seattlesubsonic.com/2009/01/14/hardly-art-joins-seattle-subsonic-4-happy-hour-this-thursday/#comment-4837</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmy jazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>would have commented on your post earlier, but did not see this until yesterday. 

not trying to bust your chops. but a mantra for myself and my friends is: support local, independent labels. sub pop doesn&#039;t make the cut. the world needs to head in a non-corporate direction, now more than ever. 

the point is this: rather than making sub pop/ hardly art out to be a fly by night, basement operation, (as local press here seems quite happy to do) you might mention something about the corporate umbrella they are working comfortably under. they have significant room for trial and error with that much money behind them. it kind of wrecks the soap box derby notion/spirit when you find one of the kids has a titanium frame and hydraulic shocks under his orange crates.

you can&#039;t be independent and corporate at the same time. that is as much an oxymoron as an &#039;organic salad&#039; made of 49% genetically modified lettuce.

some of the bands on the label are indeed good. what is unfortunate is that the local community (consumers, fans, journalists, papers, blogs) does not understand what entities are behind the corporate arm of &#039;the quant independent label&#039;. most people do not know that the label is 49% warner, and sub pop wouldn&#039;t want them to, it tarnishes their false independent branding they work so hard to foster. people should educate themselves about all they consume, in this case that happens to be what exactly hardly art/sub pop/warner music are, and who the people are behind them. then, make a choice if they want to buy the record, burn it from a friend, or pirate it and instead paypal the money directly to the band on their website.

the clash was on sony, yes, and they hated it. they didn&#039;t make a dime off their own records till london calling. they didn&#039;t sign with sony, their dumb manager bernie used power of attorney to sign them to a contract that never worked for them. they were never happy on sony. corporate label, same as warner.

the thermals left sub pop due to contract issues. they felt more comfortable on an a label that was actually independent and had room to provide for their needs in ways sub pop could not.

the irony is that now sub pop has an upstart label named after a band that chose to sever ties with them.

an idea: how about a profile of northwest labels that are certifiably independent? have a beer or coffee and go hang out with the guys and gals that run these out of their basements and put their hearts and great sacrifices for their love of community and music?

i&#039;d venture to say many readers would find that a compelling story.

as far has ideals go, if enough people have them and act upon them, they can bring about some awesome things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>would have commented on your post earlier, but did not see this until yesterday. </p>
<p>not trying to bust your chops. but a mantra for myself and my friends is: support local, independent labels. sub pop doesn&#8217;t make the cut. the world needs to head in a non-corporate direction, now more than ever. </p>
<p>the point is this: rather than making sub pop/ hardly art out to be a fly by night, basement operation, (as local press here seems quite happy to do) you might mention something about the corporate umbrella they are working comfortably under. they have significant room for trial and error with that much money behind them. it kind of wrecks the soap box derby notion/spirit when you find one of the kids has a titanium frame and hydraulic shocks under his orange crates.</p>
<p>you can&#8217;t be independent and corporate at the same time. that is as much an oxymoron as an &#8216;organic salad&#8217; made of 49% genetically modified lettuce.</p>
<p>some of the bands on the label are indeed good. what is unfortunate is that the local community (consumers, fans, journalists, papers, blogs) does not understand what entities are behind the corporate arm of &#8216;the quant independent label&#8217;. most people do not know that the label is 49% warner, and sub pop wouldn&#8217;t want them to, it tarnishes their false independent branding they work so hard to foster. people should educate themselves about all they consume, in this case that happens to be what exactly hardly art/sub pop/warner music are, and who the people are behind them. then, make a choice if they want to buy the record, burn it from a friend, or pirate it and instead paypal the money directly to the band on their website.</p>
<p>the clash was on sony, yes, and they hated it. they didn&#8217;t make a dime off their own records till london calling. they didn&#8217;t sign with sony, their dumb manager bernie used power of attorney to sign them to a contract that never worked for them. they were never happy on sony. corporate label, same as warner.</p>
<p>the thermals left sub pop due to contract issues. they felt more comfortable on an a label that was actually independent and had room to provide for their needs in ways sub pop could not.</p>
<p>the irony is that now sub pop has an upstart label named after a band that chose to sever ties with them.</p>
<p>an idea: how about a profile of northwest labels that are certifiably independent? have a beer or coffee and go hang out with the guys and gals that run these out of their basements and put their hearts and great sacrifices for their love of community and music?</p>
<p>i&#8217;d venture to say many readers would find that a compelling story.</p>
<p>as far has ideals go, if enough people have them and act upon them, they can bring about some awesome things.</p>
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		<title>By: Seattle Subsonic &#187; What&#8217;s With All The Super-Random Comments Lately? : Seattle's Music Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.seattlesubsonic.com/2009/01/14/hardly-art-joins-seattle-subsonic-4-happy-hour-this-thursday/#comment-4824</link>
		<dc:creator>Seattle Subsonic &#187; What&#8217;s With All The Super-Random Comments Lately? : Seattle's Music Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From jimmy jazz on a Hardly Art interview almost a year old. C&#8217;mon, people, in terms of time, that&#8217;s like me commenting on the &#8220;new&#8221; King James version of the Bible: &#8220;Too bad thermals couldn’t take the ‘independent’ nature of pseudo-indie Sub Pop when it came time to renegotiate and left for an actual independent label in Portland. Sub Pop and Hardly Art are both half owned by Warner music group. To mythologize them as anything other than this lacks journalistic integrity, detracts from the music communities education/empowerment, and puts truly independent local labels at a disadvantage.&#8221; Ok, I see your point, I do; but this type of armchair idealism is unrealistic and impractical. First off, I don&#8217;t get why them switching to Kill Rock Stars is &#8220;too bad&#8221;, seeing as how you apparently loathe any label with financial support. Second, there was no &#8220;mythologizing&#8221; going on; it was simply a little Q&amp;A with the man in charge of a local record label whose artist lineup is actually quite good. In today&#8217;s 21st century music landscape, having a respected label like Sub Pop distribute your record is far more important than whether or not Warner Music has a stake in them. Third, we are not a journalistic operation: we don&#8217;t act like one, and we don&#8217;t get paid like one. Bother yourself with the rest of the site and you&#8217;ll see the majority of posts (mine) are unabashed fan-boyism. I bubble with irrational euphoria. And finally, jimmy jazz, you&#8217;ll recall that every album by THE CLASH FOR CHRISSAKES was released by Sony/Columbia/Epic. Last I checked, they were pretty major.    Share and Enjoy: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] From jimmy jazz on a Hardly Art interview almost a year old. C&#8217;mon, people, in terms of time, that&#8217;s like me commenting on the &#8220;new&#8221; King James version of the Bible: &#8220;Too bad thermals couldn’t take the ‘independent’ nature of pseudo-indie Sub Pop when it came time to renegotiate and left for an actual independent label in Portland. Sub Pop and Hardly Art are both half owned by Warner music group. To mythologize them as anything other than this lacks journalistic integrity, detracts from the music communities education/empowerment, and puts truly independent local labels at a disadvantage.&#8221; Ok, I see your point, I do; but this type of armchair idealism is unrealistic and impractical. First off, I don&#8217;t get why them switching to Kill Rock Stars is &#8220;too bad&#8221;, seeing as how you apparently loathe any label with financial support. Second, there was no &#8220;mythologizing&#8221; going on; it was simply a little Q&amp;A with the man in charge of a local record label whose artist lineup is actually quite good. In today&#8217;s 21st century music landscape, having a respected label like Sub Pop distribute your record is far more important than whether or not Warner Music has a stake in them. Third, we are not a journalistic operation: we don&#8217;t act like one, and we don&#8217;t get paid like one. Bother yourself with the rest of the site and you&#8217;ll see the majority of posts (mine) are unabashed fan-boyism. I bubble with irrational euphoria. And finally, jimmy jazz, you&#8217;ll recall that every album by THE CLASH FOR CHRISSAKES was released by Sony/Columbia/Epic. Last I checked, they were pretty major.    Share and Enjoy: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jimmy jazz</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmy jazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 00:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad thermals couldn&#039;t take the &#039;independent&#039; nature of pseudo-indie Sub Pop when it came time to renegotiate and left for an actual independent label in Portland. Sub Pop and Hardly Art are both half owned by Warner music group. To mythologize them as anything other than this lacks journalistic integrity, detracts from the music communities education/empowerment, and puts truly independent local labels at a disadvantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad thermals couldn&#8217;t take the &#8216;independent&#8217; nature of pseudo-indie Sub Pop when it came time to renegotiate and left for an actual independent label in Portland. Sub Pop and Hardly Art are both half owned by Warner music group. To mythologize them as anything other than this lacks journalistic integrity, detracts from the music communities education/empowerment, and puts truly independent local labels at a disadvantage.</p>
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		<title>By: C-Leb</title>
		<link>http://www.seattlesubsonic.com/2009/01/14/hardly-art-joins-seattle-subsonic-4-happy-hour-this-thursday/#comment-2598</link>
		<dc:creator>C-Leb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea but it gives me an idea for a label called Seattle Subsonic heh heh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea but it gives me an idea for a label called Seattle Subsonic heh heh</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
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		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stupid Seattle Metblogs---that was gonna be my comment. Either way, named after a Thermals lyric? Cool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupid Seattle Metblogs&#8212;that was gonna be my comment. Either way, named after a Thermals lyric? Cool!</p>
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		<title>By: in other blogs : as the globe turns &#124; Seattle Metblogs</title>
		<link>http://www.seattlesubsonic.com/2009/01/14/hardly-art-joins-seattle-subsonic-4-happy-hour-this-thursday/#comment-2590</link>
		<dc:creator>in other blogs : as the globe turns &#124; Seattle Metblogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An interview with Hardly Art confirms that the label is named after a Thermals lyric. [subsonic] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] An interview with Hardly Art confirms that the label is named after a Thermals lyric. [subsonic] [...]</p>
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